Manager coding ability

I came across this interesting twitter thread about coding ability of managers.

“your managers should be better engineers than you”

Most managers disagree about this and I’m sure there are many exceptions, but in my career my worst managers were always the ones with the weakest coding ability.

“coding ability” here doesn’t refer only to banging out code, but it also doesn’t mean just CS (computer science) fundamentals. It’s the breadth and depth to understand what is going on around them instead of just forwarding what their manager and peers are telling them.

Christoph Nakazawa

Personally, I think it depends on what the manager is actually managing. I’ve been in teams where the manager is the team lead and gets heavily involved in coding. Other times we have restructured and the manager acts as more of a middle-man between the team and others higher up in the hierarchy. 

Traditionally, over time people want to feel like they are progressing and get promoted. This can often mean that you get so good at your job ie Developer that you then stop doing the job and just manage others. For some reason that gets awarded more money even though being a prolific developer would be more beneficial to the company.

I think having someone technical to explain problems to and resolve them is very beneficial. This can either be fixing a software bug, architectural problem or a network problem. You can definitely get them resolved faster and avoid miscommunications if they actually understand what the problem is and the impact it has. 

“I strongly believe that all managers in a technical area must be technically excellent. Managers in software must write great software or it’s like being a cavalry captain who can’t ride a horse!”

Elon Musk

Here’s some other opinions from the thread:

I always felt that as manager of technical people I had to be astute enough to be credible. As a leader you assist and drive problem solving. But I wasn’t a great engineer myself, I made a better manager. Everyone’s different though.

The ones that know you’re there to do a job and trust you to do that job are the best. The ones that have no idea what *they’re* even doing and attempt to micromanage *you* are the worst.

No, managers need to be good at managing, it’s just a bonus if they are well versed in the craft. They need to be good listeners and build trust. Being an expert coder isn’t gonna help them to make decisions that makes different personalities thrive (we aren’t all the same)

There are people who are very good engineers, but not so good managers. I don’t see how such an engineer can have a manager who is better at engineering than them. I think it’s totally viable to have very strong TLs that are not managers.

My nightmare fuel is working for someone who came to engineering leadership via old school project management. The kind of person who knows everything about deadlines and nothing about why they are unrealistic.

I think there’s a lot of room between “weakest coding ability” and “the best coder on the team”, and managers can be effective in a lot of that space.

In my experience, a kind of bell curve — average enough at coding = terrible enough to think they “get it”, or no real coding ability but appreciation for the technical = the guts to manage and serve technical teams effectively and actually *listen*

Indian Imports

Years ago, we were told that for GDPR (or for some other legal reason), we would always need staff in the UK so we can access data from the production database.

All the staff we hired in India would never be allowed access.

However, my employer once bought a house over the road from the office then allowed Indians to stay there for a few months. So they paid for the flight, Visa, all expenses accommodation to work in the UK for a bit. There was a rumour they could then access production databases but I’m not sure that is true because we have to have a DBS check to ensure we don’t have a criminal record.

Another colleague reckoned we brought them over because if you don’t promise Indians a chance to work in the UK, they will go work for an employer that does offer that. Once they have had their UK trip though, what incentive do they have to stay? Can’t they go work for someone else and get another free holiday?

An annoying aspect of it, is that it was still going on when we were going through a redundancy process, and yet they were trying to assure us the Indians weren’t taking our jobs. I did wonder what the cost was to employ them and pay for their brief UK stay. Kinda seems a hassle to organise as well.

I’m convinced I posted this before, but this was from Colin who shared his screen with an open spreadsheet of people’s wages.

NameRoleRupeesYearly Salary £ 
Prasanth                 
Graduate Trainee 5000004,295.00
Saranya           Software Engineer  6500005,583.50
Hemalatha
Test Engineer6000005,154.00
Vinitha            Junior Software Engineer      7000006,013.00
Vignesh            Software Engineer    10000008,590.00
Padmasri                Junior Software Engineer 6500005,583.50
Hebsi                Software Engineer  140000012,026.00
Shoban             Software Engineer    8000006,872.00

It’s crazy how much money is saved by hiring Indians. They have definitely taken our jobs over the years.